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George interviews George MacDonald Fraser on Tuesday 19/10/99
The
interview was scheduled to begin at 11.30 am The trouble was, the
train I'd caught in good time, arrived 100 yards outside of Euston
Station at 10.57 am - but it didn't pull in until quarter past.
No time to call the PR girl on her mobile (which was switched off
anyway), just straight down to the tube station to wait three minutes
for the connecting train to arrive (three northern line minutes
equals seven earth minutes). Then change at Tottenham Court Road
for the Central Line (along which most of the BBC's principle London
buildings are situated) and out at Lancaster Gate to get a cab for
the short jaunt to the Harrington Hall Hotel, situated just off
Gloucester Place.
"Nah mate, the 'arrington 'all
'otel is orf Gloucester Road" the cabbie informed me, which is
on the other side of Hyde Park! So, I was already late and in
a different borough from the Hotel. But, by the grace of God,
blind panic and a nifty cabbie I was only 15 minutes late for
my meeting with George MacDonald Fraser
We'd met the day before at Hatchards
where he was signing copies of the latest packet of the Flashman
Papers: Flashman and the Tiger, in Hardback - published by Harper
Collins, price £16.99, or ten bob from an Internet site; based
in Paraguay (to whom you entrust your credit card details and
a true belief in Atlantic postage)
Now in case you're unaware of
the Flashman papers or just who Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC is
- he first came to the public gaze 150 years ago in Tom Browns
School Days, as a most fearful bully. He roasted the aforementioned
little wimp and was expelled for being drunk. Then 30 years ago
George MacDonald Fraser wrote the first of the series, maintaining
to this day he merely edits the papers, which were discovered
in a Leicestershire tea-chest in 1966. All the characters, events
and places in the book are real and accurate, down to the smallest
detail and the rest, as they say, is history - the most alive
history of the 19th century ever written, through the eyes of
the biggest whoring blaggard and spineless flatulent coward of
all time, my mate Flash Harry
I started reading Flashman in 1981 when I was
bought a copy of Royal Flash by the leader of the band I was working
with at the time, Larry Wallis; the bands name I seem to recall
was: The Pork Torpedoes of Love. We had the dubious pleasure of
recording the only Stiff Record album catalogued but never released,
it's there for all to see in Pete Frames Rock Family Trees. Anyway,
Royal Flash is the second book in the series and the only one
of the 11 books, to date, that has been made into a movie. I'd
seen the film, which only confirmed a book is always far superior
to its film adaptation. But I took it no further, until 4 years
ago, when I had a heart attack; which nearly did for me. Whilst
lying on the slab I realised with great joy that I had plenty
of time to do some reading. The film Royal Flash had been on the
box a week or so before my little problem occurred, and I remembered
what a bloody good read it was. So I decided to read the first
in the series, and within a page I was hooked. I read all ten
(Flashman and the Tiger is the 11th) back to back in record time
and then went straight back and read them all again. The only
other book I read during that time was George MacDonald Fraser's
autobiography: Quartered Safe out Here. You won't read a better
book about the WW2 Burma campaign than that. It has an unabridged
cassette version read by the author himself, which I highly recommend
you borrow from your local library the next time you're going
to be on the road for 18 hours
But the day I met him I only
had 15 minutes, a MINIDISC () recorder and a lump in my
throat at the thought of interviewing, in my humble opinion, the
greatest living author on the planet
I started off by asking him:
Big G: Why are you still writing
Flashman - is it for the money, is it because there are still
more papers to discover, or is it an obligation to the reader?
G.M.F: It's good fun. I suppose
it's an obligation to the reader, it pays well, but chiefly because
I like doing it. It's great fun researching it, it's great fun
writing it
Big G: How much research goes
into each book?
G.M.F: Oh quite a bit, I got
the idea for the last one fifteen years ago, when I was on holiday
in Bad Ishl in Austria and saw what a salt mine was like. I thought
I'll have to use that one of these days. From there I just turned
it over in my mind and then and about 18 months ago, I got down
to it seriously. I suppose the research then took me another couple
of months. The other two parts of the book; because its got three
stories in it; with one of them the research was very easy because
it consists of the transcript of one court case: the Baccarat
Case (1); so that was a snip. The Zulu war
one I had written 25 years ago (2) and all
I had to do was revise it a bit.
Big G: When did Flashman first
take your fancy?
G.M.F: I'm not sure. He's been
in my mind, I suppose ever since I read the book when I was...
twelve years old I should think. When, in the 1960's I decided
that I wanted to write a Victorian adventure story, he was the
character who just came to mind. I mean, there he is, expelled
from Rugby just about the time Queen Victoria comes to the throne
and the whole Imperial thing starts
Big G: Did you think about the
chronology when you first started writing Flashman?
G.M.F: No
Big G: So how difficult has that
been to bounce around?
G.M.F: Not terribly, in the American
edition of the first book the publisher asked me to write a who's
who entry, I did it in about five minutes and I've been stuck
with it ever since. At the time I thought 'Where's he going to
go?' He's going to go to Madagascar, he's going to go to Borneo,
he's going to fight in the American Civil War - whose side? Why
not both sides! So I got stuck with that
Big G: Have any of the relatives
of some of the characters ever confronted you at all?
G.M.F: Yes, one or two. People
who are the great grandsons of people who occurred in the books.
For instance a man who I met and got friendly with just a year
or two ago. General Rose, who was the man in Yugoslavia originally,
he is the grandson of Hugh Rose (3) who was
Flashman's commanding officer in Flashman and the Great Game.
You know, that sort of person but I haven't had any complaints
so far
Big G: Of all the books, which
would you say is your favourite?
G.M.F: Of the Flashman books?
I've no idea really. Somebody said that Flashman at the Charge
is the best constructed novel, I don't know about that. Kingsley
Amis said that it's got to be Flashman and the Redskins, that
was his choice. I don't really have one. Any one except the last
one, because by the time I've finished whichever one it is I'm
fed up
Big G: What about your favourite
spot he's gotten himself into?
G.M.F: People ask for a typical
example of his behaviour and I think the one that appeals to me
most is in: Flashman at the Charge. He's being pursued through
the snow in a sledge by Cossacks and he flings his mistress out
into the snow to lighten the sledge (laughs). I like that
Big G: I've read them many times
and he still doesn't fail to shock me.
G.M.F: Good
Big G: There's a great debate
about Flashman going onto screen, did you have any choice about
Malcolm McDowell's casting in the film Royal Flash?
G.M.F: No I didn't. I wrote
the screenplay but the package was Malcolm to play Flashman and
Alan Bates to play his rival, Rudi Von Starnberg. I thought it
would be a good idea to swap them over because Bates is big and
burley and so on. Malcolm is sprightly and bright and that sort
of thing, but as it came out it wasn't half bad. I suppose I must
take part of the blame, it didn't do all that well but I've conceived
an affection for it over the years. There were some people who
did extremely well in it. It's an odd thing, it's a movie which
has an awful lot of people in tiny parts who have since become
famous. There's a station master; I don't think he's even got
a line; played by David Jason (4). There's
a lovely little cameo, he's only on screen for about 45 seconds:
Bob Hoskins as the Police Sergeant and he's perfect; straight
out of the book
Big G: Talking about perfect,
what about Oliver Reed?
G.M.F: That's right, Ollie was
Bismarck and Henry Cooper was John Gully MP. Also Alistar Sim,
Joss Ackland, Lionel Jeffries and Britt Ekland, who was a very
good heroine
Big G: Was it difficult to abridge
the story to make it into a movie?
G.M.F: Yes, because there's
a lot of it. Any movie that is made of one of your books, you
would like to see it about eleven hours long, but of course it
can't be
Big G: Palace Pictures were looking
into making Flashman into a series like Sharpe. Was you involved
in their negotiations?
G.M.F: Yes I was. In fact I was
very nearly off to Afghanistan with the Palace people to have
a look at locations and so on. But the deal fell through and hasn't
been revived. To be frank I don't know that I'm terribly sorry.
For one thing there isn't a Flashman around that I know of. Errol
Flynn's dead, alas. So is the other man who wanted to play him:
David Niven. He said to me "if only I'd been born forty years
later"
Big G: There's been great debate
across the web sites of the world to see who could play Flashman
G.M.F: Well, Burt Reynolds was
suggested - but that company wanted to Americanise it. The original
Flashman casting for the movie that didn't get made was John Alderton
from the TV series Please Sir. Another suggestion was made to
me by the American director Dick Fleicsher (5),
with whom I've worked. It sounds bizarre, but when you think about
it, it's not so bad: John Cleese. He was one of the favourites
Big G: I think he's a bit long
in the tooth nowadays
G.M.F: Well this was about twenty
years ago
Big G: How much of Flashman
is George MacDonald Fraser?
G.M.F: He thinks the way I do,
that's it. He doesn't behave the way I do, or I don't behave the
way he does
Big G: Do you feel there was
a similarity with the way you felt about action during your time
in the Burma campaign and Flashman?
G.M.F: I suppose so, but there's
a curious thing about Flashman. People write to me frequently
and say "he's not a coward at all he's just a very modest man,
in fact he's heroic". The answer to that is, very often he doesn't
get any choice. Indeed when you're a soldier you don't get much
choice. It would take an awful lot of courage to run screaming
from the battlefield. I mean you're there, and you do what you
have to do and that's that. I don't think Flashman is particularly
heroic but sometimes yes, he fights like a cornered rat, and he's
big and he's strong and he's vicious; so he's quite successful
at it!
Big G: How long after the event
did you write your autobiography?
G.M.F: Oh nearly fifty years.
I think I wrote "Quartered Safe out Here" in 1994 (6).
It was going to be the first book I ever wrote. Thank God it wasn't,
because it would have been just another war memoir if I'd done
it in the fifties, assuming it had got published. But fifty years
later, looking back, things have changed so much that it adds
a dimension to the book that it just wouldn't have had
Big G: Have you ever thought
of doing Part Two?
G.M.F: Part two isn't all that
interesting. That would be my time in India and the Middle East.
Much less dramatic than Burma, although I was in Palestine at
the time Israel was coming into being and that was a pretty dicey
time. But I've covered that in a way in my short stories. The
McAuslan stories; being in command of the night train from Cairo
to Jerusalem, that kind of thing. So really I don't think there's
an immediate sequel to Quartered Safe out Here
Big G: I was thinking more about
your exploits in the Print and Media business
G.M.F: I see what you mean, possibly.
I am going to do something autobiographical, partly newspapers
and part of the film business, which has been fascinating
Big G: You've already done The
Hollywood History of the World
G.M.F: That's right and I've
done seven or eight movies, some of them big budget jobs. I've
worked in Hollywood and that's always interesting. If there's
one thing people are interested in, it's movies
Big G: Can you tell me a little
about working on the James Bond film: Octopussy
(7)
G.M.F: That was great fun and
not like any other motion picture. In the first place you know
it's going to get made. They're very serious people and there's
no question of them having to go and hunt for money or anything
like that. They get the red carpet rolled out for them at MGM.
Cubby Broccoli had the major office in the MGM building. What
happens there is different. Usually you talk to a producer, a
director and kick about the ideas for the film. Mostly I've adapted
books and they've said to me "off you go and adapt the book" and
I've done it and that's been that. But on a Bond picture it's
different. That plot has got to be settled before you start writing.
So you have a big conference which involves all sorts of people;
Cubby Broccoli and his aids, his producers, the director, Roger
Moore once or twice, art director, production designer, the whole
damn lot, even the publicity man; and ideas were just kicked about.
Eventually we hit on a plot and I went away and wrote it. And
then rewrote it. And then rewrote it, again and again.....
Big G: Were you working on set
as well?
G.M.F: No, not on that one. The
farther you can stay away from the actual shooting of a film the
better, because if you're there they'll just make you work. Every
time I've gone near the shooting of a film I've finished up working.
The last time was in tragic circumstances. Roy Kinnear got killed
halfway through the last Musketeer picture (8).
So I had to fly to Spain and rework the scenes of his that were
still to be shot, so that it could be done with either a double
or with someone else appearing. That was a rotten job. He was
a great loss and it depressed the whole production
Big G: Did you know he starred
in a 1966 TV sitcom called "Inside George Webley"?
G.M.F: I didn't know that. He
was a great wee fellow was Roy. But as I say it wrecked any chance
the picture had of success. Not only because of having to re-jig
it and that sort of thing, but it just cast a gloom over the whole
proceedings
Big G: Going back to Flashman,
how do you think he saw the turn of the 19th Century?
G.M.F: I'd have to go and look
to see where he was. The Boxer rising was in 1900
(9) but I'm not sure when it started, I'd have to look at
that. But I have a nice card at home, an illustration of the celebrations
at the Savoy at midnight on 31st of December 1899 and it looks
as though he'd fit in there. But I just don't know, he could well
have spent it anywhere, on a boat or in jail, you name it
Big G: George
MacDonald Fraser thank you
G.M.F: Well thank you George
Then I turned off the recorder
and we talked briefly about the finer points of heart surgery,
before I bid him farewell. He was off to a big newsprint mogul
type nosh up with the likes of Max Hastings. I, on the other hand,
caught the 13.24 from Euston, and started reading: Flashman and
the Tiger - which had me guffawing so much I couldn't have cared
less how late the train arrived back
FOOTNOTES (with grateful acknowledgments
to David Tibbetts)
1. The Tranby Croft Scandal
of 1890 in which Edward, Prince of Wales, was caught up in a alleged
case of cheating at baccarat. The accusation
eventually went to trial in 1891 and Gordon-Cummings, who was
accused of cheating, lost
2. An abridged version of Flashman
and the Tiger was published in the Daily Express in 1975
3. Hugh Rose commanded the
army that stormed Jhansi during April 1858. It was Rose's idea
to sneak Flashman into Jhansi beforehand to
persuade Lakshmibai, Rani of Jhansi, to give herself up. Flashman
was with General Rose a total of five days and probably thought
that was five days too many!
4. David Jason, one of the United
Kingdoms most enduring TV comic actors (star of classics such
as: Only Fools and Horses, Open all Hours,
Inspector Frost, Darling Buds of May), actually played the Mayor
of Strackenz, not a station master and did in fact have a speaking
part: "And on this historic day, we humbly (nods in deference
to Flashman, who at this point in the film was posing as Prince
Carl; the day before his wedding) invite your Royal Highness to
inaugurate Strackenz's first public locomotive steam railroad
train and carriages. (proud pause for crowd approval, that didn't
come) Travelling at speeds in excess of 10 miles every hours.
Your Highness". He then hands Flashman a bottle of Bubbly with
which to christen the train, which he launches with gusto hitting
an attendant on the head, knocking him out cold
5. Dick Fleischer, son of animator
Max Fleischer, was born in 1916. George MacDonald Fraser scripted
his 1985 film, Red Sonja. Other notable Fleischer
films include Conan the Destroyer, 10 Rillington Place, Fantastic
Voyage, 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, The Vikings and Soylent
Green
6. Quartered Safe out Here
was published in 1992
7. Octopussy was released in
1983 and was Roger Moore's penultimate Bond film. It was Maud
Adams's, who played Octopussy, second Bond
film. She had played Andrea Anders, who was Scaramanga's (Christopher
Lee) lover, in The Man With The Golden Gun in 1974
8. The Return of the Musketeers
was released in 1989
9. All we know for certain
is, that Flashman took part in The Siege of the Foreign Legation
in Pekin, which was during the summer of 1900
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